Apr 23, 2010 at 03:33 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
THERE MIGHT BE SOME TRUCKING RUNS AVALIABLE IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND WE WERE WONDERING WHAT SOME TRUCKERS MIGHT THINK IS A GOOD FREIGHT RATE. FAIRFAX MN TO WELCOME MN WOOD LAKE, MN TO WELCOME, MN WOODSTOCK, MN TO WELCOME, MN |
Replied on Fri, May 14, 2010 at 06:31 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
200 PER MILE
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Replied on Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:54 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
THE RATE SHOULD BE MORE LIKE $3.00 PER MILE PLUS FUEL SURCHARGE (CURRENTLY 20%) |
Replied on Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:54 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
FOR THIS AREA THEY SHOULD BE $2.50 - $2.75 PER LOADED MILE FOR 52,000# PAYLOAD.
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Replied on Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:25 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Quote: "FOR THIS AREA THEY SHOULD BE $2.50 - $2.75 PER LOADED MILE FOR 52,000# PAYLOAD."
I'D AGREE WITH THAT.
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Replied on Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:04 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
How about some real names! If you can not sighn the letter do not wright it.
What area is this? Must have free fuel. |
Replied on Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:41 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Quote: "FOR THIS AREA THEY SHOULD BE $2.50 - $2.75 PER LOADED MILE FOR 52,000# PAYLOAD."
That would be a good rate. |
Replied on Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 09:21 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Come on now fellas, i got cow wagons up and down the road that are running alot harder than my hoppers, and we are lucky to see $3.00 loaded mile for that! lets be realistic a hopper truck is getting 6+mpg a cow truck is lucky to get 5 mpg! id say yeah no lower than $2.40 loaded mile and fuel is dropping so adjust your rate with the fuel
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Replied on Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 08:09 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Quote: "Come on now fellas, i got cow wagons up and down the road that are running alot harder than my hoppers, and we are lucky to see $3.00 loaded mile for that! lets be realistic a hopper truck is getting 6+mpg a cow truck is lucky to get 5 mpg! id say yeah no lower than $2.40 loaded mile and fuel is dropping so adjust your rate with the fuel"
hay maybe you ;and all the other idiots out their running for cheepppp...... should stop and think about what you are doing... you have the truck ;;;;;;demand $4.25 like i do our simply park the dam thing,,,,,,, i have been in business for more than 15 years running 10 trucks hoppers and enddumps . we have allways ben busy... |
Replied on Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 08:48 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
I bull hauled for 11 years hard and furious I tell ya what if ya want to long haul. It bull hauling Is nothing I run longer and harder with hopper I get sick of the dam quote "bull hauling" run your ass off for 20 hours sleep all dam day waiting for a sale or dam cow buyer you work a Hopper right I guarantee you. You don't have a "bull hauler that can run with me!" dont get me wrong my family has and has a small feedyard I still hook on and do it. Its more work loading ect. but the driven all the same if you want it to be.
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Replied on Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:36 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
$2 a mile might be ok if the run was 500 miles, but when the run is shorter and you have lots of loads to move, you better get the price up around $4 or $5 mile. Because you are going to bounce back for the next load, plus the time spend loading and unloading, and sitting in line. Sometimes charging by the hour is the best way to go depending on the distance and other conditions.
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Replied on Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:37 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
dang listen to u all cry about rates u no dam well u got companys out here who will do it for free so what the hell is the diff what u haul it for???? if u dont haul it for what they want click call someone else
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Replied on Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 12:17 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Quote: "$2 a mile might be ok if the run was 500 miles, but when the run is shorter and you have lots of loads to move, you better get the price up around $4 or $5 mile. Because you are going to bounce back for the next load, plus the time spend loading and unloading, and sitting in line. Sometimes charging by the hour is the best way to go depending on the distance and other conditions. "
Where is the mentality that on a five hundred mile run it is cheaper to run a mile than one mile of a 50 mile run? Yeah you might get a load going the other way some would call that a "BACKHAUL", but really a mile is a mile no matter how long the total trip is I have yet to get any free miles I think you have to use plastic and fly to get those. Generally I figure a mile is worth $1.35 base plus fuel surcharge, currently 19.8% on our scale. That means to take a load it would have to pay $2.70/mile plus fuel for a 25 ton load. Yep if you can haul more than 25 ton the gravy goes to the owner of the equipment. You should charge more if loading or unloading takes mor than one hour each, after two hours I'd also charge detention of $30 to $90 / HR. Washouts and labor for loading / unloading aren't free either. Getting back to that BACKHAUL thing. Those loads rarely ever take you where you want to go and I have never orderd a load for myself so how could any load ever get me home? Bottom line a load is a load they all go somewhere and should pay enough that a man can afford to drive back to point A without having the life sucked out of him by a "BACKHAUL" load from some office worker who goes home everynight but thinks a driver should stay poor and away form his home and family for two weeks "to make it work". There is that good old double standard. Shipper/Broker = profit, Driver/Owner-op = poor, Shipper/ Broker order truck and not load it = no big deal, Driver/Owner-op turns back a load or drops it = dirty SOB put a X on their head! |
Replied on Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 07:44 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
what a site ---the discussion went from needing north hoppers and a rate to hauling live animals cross country-----no one ever takes into the project the waiting time and the posibility of lost product damages and the like-----it is very hard to rate a movement when all that i given is an origin and a destination---what about terms if u haul it this fall and get paid nxt fall it mite all have to go ot the trustee of the court.we all better think more like businessmen and less like the people that are portraided on the silver screen.have a profitable fall harvest season.think profit and not miles.
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Replied on Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 11:04 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Real story, good analogy. I bought a $10 sandwich the other day. Good sandwich. BUT $10 for a SANDWICH. But I paid for it before I ate it. If I hadn't, I could have simply not enjoyed it fully and gave it back, walked out and kept my $. This is how we in the trucking business are treated. We have ALL the risk and none of the recourse for trucks ordered and not used (which generally is a broker finding a cheaper truck last minute and cancelling ours), rerouting a loaded truck (screwing up our reload), rejected product reroute mileage/time, etc... The broker will pay whatever they want and we are out whatever inconvience it is. AND THESE ARE UP TO $200,000 rigs out here!! We allow this to happen. Keep your list of traders short. Are your rates going up and down with truck demand? Our fall rates are twice or more what the winter rates are and we CAN AFFORD to park the trucks during winter because we made good $ in the fall! And we aren't out there hauling cheap crap in adverse conditions. Rates are what you allow them to be!! |
Replied on Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 09:15 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
whos hopper is gettin 6 not mine and im no longer in a pete if your in the midwest runnin 85 or 86 your lucky to get 5 dont know what kinda trucks your runnin
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Replied on Sat, Dec 04, 2010 at 10:57 AM CST
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A truck needs to make $500.00 a day after fuel, drivers wage, and tolls or fees (hauling legal loads and abiding by hours of service). |
Replied on Sat, Dec 04, 2010 at 01:00 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
shut em down ,time has come to strike, what we need is a base rate as per fuel prices,something like fuel 3.09 per gallon rate 3.09 per mile just make it the same everywhere. now comes all the negative bs. we cant do that ,no one will stick together blah blah blah .what is wrong with you all?
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Replied on Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 12:59 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Agree with the 4.25/ mi or park it. I've parked it. Trailer listed on the for sale site. 2010- 43x102x78. Come and get it.
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Replied on Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 04:30 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
I agree it is time to shutem down and get the respect we all deserve I'm going broke everyday working suppling product for everyone what do we get further in the hole. Hell i have decided i can go broke setting at home and it's not has stressful. LOL
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Replied on Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 04:57 PM CST
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Replied on Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 04:57 PM CST
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Replied on Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 05:18 PM CST
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Sold my trailer today. Very happy to get out of the hopper buisness. Bottom line; I can't compete with local farmers who are subidized and beat the rates down just to stay occupied. Either farm or truck. Don't interfere with commercial carriers. We pay higher fees overall.
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Replied on Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 07:19 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
your right Im so darn sick of these farmers and my family farms but there are so many that run farm plates no dot num no cargo ins or barle any at all. Junk that we could not drive across the dam street without gettn thrown in jail but how do we stop it? Ive tried a lil but it has to stop in my area I know for sure of three farmer with four or more trucks that haul for dam near free just so they keep their help busy! |
Replied on Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:55 AM CST
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Replied on Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 08:42 PM CST
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We are still saying the same shit and it is 7 years later. Look at what these guys were talking about way back then.
As you can see everybody keeps talking a magic Rate per mile instead of talking profit margins. While a Rate per mile is a gauge that we use, it is not the magic that makes a business run. Profit is what makes a business run and stay in business. I wonder how many of these guys are even still in the business? Here is the deal quit bickering and start working together and we can all be successful in our own right. Nobody cares about your magic rate per mile when you are negotiating a deal. They only care about their bottom line (profit margin). If you don't know your cost then you will not even comprehend how to arrive at a proper profit margin. As long as you keep listening to the BS that has been handed down through the years about the magic and elusive rate per mile, you will continue to show the other side your weakness and they will continue to offer you far less than you are worth. By having a greater understanding as to a proper and acceptable profit margin, we at the Independent Carrier Group are starting to see a trend with our shippers and brokers. They would rather pay a little more to know that the carrier they are working with will be there for them in the long haul. Don't get me wrong they will continue to make the money they can off of those that don't know and maybe will never know. That is the cycle of this business, those that figure it out succeed and those that don't just keep beating their head until they are gone. If you want to survive in this business you better learn how to listen, implement and learn. Otherwise you will be back driving for a Mega Carrier or working at your local feed mill driving for them. |
Replied on Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 11:39 AM CST
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We are located in Red Wing, MN. We would be interested in talking load rates, number of loads and load dates. [email protected]
Thanks |
Replied on Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 02:38 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Quote: "We are located in Red Wing, MN. We would be interested in talking load rates, number of loads and load dates. [email protected]
Thanks"
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Replied on Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 08:41 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
In that area 2.00 to 3.00. trucks are saturated in that area. depends on the time frame to move.
If we are passing by Ill grab a load for 2.xx one way as I go to a good paying load. Im not going to make rounds for you less than 3.50 one way |
Replied on Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 01:51 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
That's right, blame the very ones that supply the freight to put in the hoppers. There are lots that don't play by the rules, farmers, and truckers included but I wouldn't throw all farmers into one basket. I farm, I also own and operate three trucks that have the proper authority, liscense, insurance, and permits ect... But who really cares this forum has evolved into a platform for finger pointing and name calling. Go to work charge what you need to charge to make a good wage, just remember it's no ones else's fault if your not successful.
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Replied on Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 03:02 PM CST
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It won't work. There already talking about shipping by rail more to get away from truck prices. Do not be mistaken I'm already fighting to get all I can get out of brokers and would like to see more but it's bad
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Replied on Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 03:50 PM CST
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Why is a 7year post even on here??
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Replied on Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 05:01 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Quote: "Why is a 7year post even on here??"
Finally somebody realized the original posting was seven years old. Read what I posted and tell me if it is not indeed true. 7 years later and we still gripe about the same shit. Does not look like the elusive magic rate per mile is winning oit. I can tell you though running at the right profit margin almost always does.
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Replied on Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 06:51 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Quote: "Finally somebody realized the original posting was seven years old. Read what I posted and tell me if it is not indeed true. 7 years later and we still gripe about the same shit. Does not look like the elusive magic rate per mile is winning oit. I can tell you though running at the right profit margin almost always does."
That was good. I had to go back and look at the date.
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Replied on Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 06:51 AM CST
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Alfred, this is one of the best and most educational posts ever on this site. I agree with you about profitibility. We operate an aggregate trucking company and have so many owners using $100 per hour as a guage. We try to educate that $100 hour on a short haul versus putting on miles down the highway isn't the same at the end of the day. Shorter hauls create more maintainence issues and longer hauls create more fuel expenses. Both hauls can be very profitable we just need to get the approate rate for the job at hand. Thanks again for the post.
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Replied on Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 09:12 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
It doesn't matter what anyone is charging!
Figure out you business expenses, fixed and variable then tack on what you want to earn for profit, then break that down into miles. It's that simple! |
Replied on Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 11:46 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
with thinking like that.. was why trucking was regulated.. trying to compete against a truck that gets a 45000 dollar subsidy from the government is not competion.. its killing your competion...
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Replied on Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:15 PM CST
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Hello Alfred....could you give me the link for the profit %app please? My head hurts reading all these wanna be strikers....and Rambo truck drivers. I see only a few transportation specialist and find it humorous that most don't have a clue of making a decent O/R in their "trucking ways"
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Replied on Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 01:40 PM CST
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Quote: "with thinking like that.. was why trucking was regulated.. trying to compete against a truck that gets a 45000 dollar subsidy from the government is not competion.. its killing your competion..."
How do you get a $45,000 subsidy?
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Replied on Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 06:57 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Ewg.org. Hasn't been updated in a couple of years,but sure opened my eyes when I discovered this site.some of these guys got a lot of money over the years.
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