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This forum topic is aimed directly at the admin of Bulk Loads. First off, I am well aware that most everything in business is negotiable, but the load postings without rates and product description makes for a lot of waisted time. Also, it is easy to look up current dry-van, reefer, or flatbed rates across the U.S because both DAT and TCI Capital do a good job at posting the current market Outlook in trucking. But current bulk rates are nearly unknown. Can somebody please fix this?! |
Replied on Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 04:15 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Hello Michael, we try to encourage brokers and shippers on the load board to post rates and as many details as possible to limit unproductive calls for both parties, but we do not mandate rates due to competion between companies. We do have a system called BulkTMS that allows shippers and brokers to post with rates to only verified carriers and encourage all our shippers and brokers to use BulkTMS to make communication much easier for all parties if they do not wish to share rates publicly. |
Replied on Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 06:50 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Yes it’s ridiculous they want to post a load with no rate,then when offer rate they take their time searching for cheaper rates. Most don’t even have the loads . If it’s not their loads they shouldn’t be able to post. I get the same load from multiple brokers . When this happens you never get the load.
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Replied on Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 07:07 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Quote: "Hello Michael, we try to encourage brokers and shippers on the load board to post rates and as many details as possible to limit unproductive calls for both parties, but we do not mandate rates due to competion between companies. We do have a system called BulkTMS that allows shippers and brokers to post with rates to only verified carriers and encourage all our shippers and brokers to use BulkTMS to make communication much easier for all parties if they do not wish to share rates publicly. "
Nick, I appreciate the response. I will give Bulk TMS a try.... |
Replied on Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 07:54 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Easy way to solve the problem...if there is no rate, no product, your not able to post loads....???? Thoughts???
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Replied on Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 10:30 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Quote: "Easy way to solve the problem...if there is no rate, no product, your not able to post loads....???? Thoughts???"
I've been saying this all along |
Replied on Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 10:31 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Quote: "Easy way to solve the problem...if there is no rate, no product, your not able to post loads....???? Thoughts???"
My thoughts exactly!! Bulk Loads is worried about the competition between brokers but what about us? Is our time not valuable? I've started blocking the brokers who for one reason or another have wasted my time, it's not even worth seeing their loads. |
Replied on Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 06:09 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
That is the main reason I canceled my membership with bulk loads
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Replied on Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 06:09 PM CST
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Bulk loads won't do that..they protect them...they say they try..there not tryin at all..they don't
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Replied on Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 11:02 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
I agree these should be required, "feed ingredients" tells me nothing because hauling SBM verses hulls for instance will be bid differently. So much time wasted just asking for these two simple things. Also get rid of the average lane rate thing it's pretty much pointless.
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Replied on Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 11:02 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
I'm not a fan of posted rates. Here's why. I like to give my rate first. Whoever enters the conversation first with the rate, sets the tone for the conversation. Its psychological. However, there are instances where the rates just can't be met.
Think as a salesman, not a truck driver. While negotiating, you have your "sales" hat on. |
Replied on Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 01:26 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Quote: "I'm not a fan of posted rates. Here's why. I like to give my rate first. Whoever enters the conversation first with the rate, sets the tone for the conversation. Its psychological. However, there are instances where the rates just can't be met.
Think as a salesman, not a truck driver. While negotiating, you have your "sales" hat on."
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Replied on Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 02:23 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Quote: "I'm not a fan of posted rates. Here's why. I like to give my rate first. Whoever enters the conversation first with the rate, sets the tone for the conversation. Its psychological. However, there are instances where the rates just can't be met.
Think as a salesman, not a truck driver. While negotiating, you have your "sales" hat on."
I get that, but for me it's the time factor. If a broker or shipper prices a load with an extremely low rate I'm probably not going to waste my time calling on it. |
Replied on Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 08:39 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Quote: "I get that, but for me it's the time factor. If a broker or shipper prices a load with an extremely low rate I'm probably not going to waste my time calling on it. "
And that is precisely why they don't post the rate...because it's probably too low
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Replied on Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 06:59 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
This might also help alleviate the problem of ignorant brokers that don’t return a call when someone has to leave a voicemail or answer emails.
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Replied on Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 09:43 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Curiosity arrives...when I log into Circle A brokers web page and look at available hopper loads, takes me to Bulkloads.com website. In fact BL entire website. (Must have BL membership) So not only are the 9 out of 10 loads on BL is a 2nd broker repost, now Circle A takes that load from the #2. So probably no double brokering going on here(and another rate cut)...yeah right. Spoke w Levi at BL yesterday and knew nothing of this. Said he would look into this. Did BL find another source of income? |
Replied on Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 10:11 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Quote: "Curiosity arrives...when I log into Circle A brokers web page and look at available hopper loads, takes me to Bulkloads.com website. In fact BL entire website. (Must have BL membership) So not only are the 9 out of 10 loads on BL is a 2nd broker repost, now Circle A takes that load from the #2. So probably no double brokering going on here(and another rate cut)...yeah right. Spoke w Levi at BL yesterday and knew nothing of this. Said he would look into this. Did BL find another source of income?"
Yes Ma'am, Circle A post their loads on our load board and have a link to our website so you can search for their posted loads. |
Replied on Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 01:19 PM CST
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And there's nothing 4 him to look into..he already knows the answer...Gaureteed!!!!!!!
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Replied on Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 01:19 PM CST
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Circle A ..is payin bl to post there cheap c***...yes |
Replied on Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 08:08 PM CST
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The thing that gets me than this are the load postings that aren't actual loads. That's an annoyance and waste of time. Posting a city and product doesn't give away anything but that. Having people repeatedly calling about a load and refusing it because of the rate woukd force me to post the rate. I guess some people like talking on the phone.
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Replied on Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 08:13 AM CST
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Quote: "That is the main reason I canceled my membership with bulk loads"
But yet here you are posting on a load board that you are not a member of....what does that say about you? We live in a free market capitalist society.....you all want to bag on Bulk Loads for their setup but I dont see anyone that is complaining offering up an alternative load board option. If you are unhappy with this load board go build your own and see how it goes for you! Instead of being keyboard warriors posting complaints learn to use that keyboard to code and build your own....but stop tearing down other people who have built something successful! |
Replied on Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 10:10 AM CST
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Quote: "But yet here you are posting on a load board that you are not a member of....what does that say about you? We live in a free market capitalist society.....you all want to bag on Bulk Loads for their setup but I dont see anyone that is complaining offering up an alternative load board option. If you are unhappy with this load board go build your own and see how it goes for you! Instead of being keyboard warriors posting complaints learn to use that keyboard to code and build your own....but stop tearing down other people who have built something successful!"
Steve, you are not wrong. Maybe instead of blaming Bulk Loads admin we should do a better job on our end of identifying turd brokers. If the load is listed incorrectly i.e wrong town, or wrong product description we should be flagging the load.... If we all did our due diligence the problem would fix itself. |
Replied on Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 10:10 AM CST
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All bulk load board is any more is 1 big lake..with lots of cheap a** brokers and cheap carriers fishin in same water...its was good at 1 point..not any more..they will block u if u say anything negative about these cheap b****** |
Replied on Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 10:10 AM CST
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Just a bunch of guys fighting over 2 dollar freight..thats what bokers want..cause the winner will haul the s*** 4 a dollar...and broker puts the rest in his pocck |
Replied on Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 10:19 AM CST
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U must have a lot of free time on ur hands..chkin on cheap loads from cheap a** brkers...and ones double brokering..tryin to screw ya.. |
Replied on Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 01:16 PM CST
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Walmart and Target put a price on the shelf no negotiations there. I understand free market competition .The broker has to make a living and according to a recent article brokers now can be liable for carrier and driver safety negligence. But the broker knows or could find out a reasonable estimate of how much a carrier has to have to keep their trucks running. If I were a broker(there is too much risk now) I would try not to insult the men and women who move our country. We have all heard of drivers would not take these cheap loads then maybe they would pay more. Could also be said if brokers negotiated higher rates with shippers then maybe we could all make it. Good brokers thank you. You know the trucker has to have a reasonable rate to keep moving freight on time and safely Cheap brokers why don't you get a truck and haul a few of your own insulting priced loads |
Replied on Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 01:17 PM CST
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Those who want to see a rate posted need to change their minset. You are the service provider- you name the rate. We don’t walk into McDonald’s and tell the register how much we are going to pay for a Big Mac. You leave a lot on the table waiting for the customer to name their own price. I do agree with the lack of product info- that is frustrating, but you need to take responsibility for the rates, know your numbers and name your own price and go from there.
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Replied on Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 07:17 AM CST
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Quote: "Those who want to see a rate posted need to change their minset. You are the service provider- you name the rate. We don’t walk into McDonald’s and tell the register how much we are going to pay for a Big Mac. You leave a lot on the table waiting for the customer to name their own price. I do agree with the lack of product info- that is frustrating, but you need to take responsibility for the rates, know your numbers and name your own price and go from there."
This is very true, but a lot of brokers have an established price range with the shipper. So if a broker has an agreement with the shipper to provide 10 trucks a week for $3.50 a mile but doesn't post a rate in the hopes he/she can convince a couple trucks to run for $2.50 a mile... If you call that same broker with the intention of running that load/loads for no less than $3.80 a mile you are probably wasting your time..... Maybe I'm missing something.... My intention was/is to draw attention to this issue... and it worked. I got a phone call from a member of Bulk Loads admin and we talked a few minutes on the issue of rates and product description. My take away from the conversation was that I needed to be a little more proactive in eliminating the habitual turd brokers from my load search i.e block or flag the brokers who always post the wrong pickup and delivery locations, or the brokers posting incorrect product description just to "protect" their loads. This is up to us to fix. |
Replied on Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 03:21 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Quote: "This is very true, but a lot of brokers have an established price range with the shipper. So if a broker has an agreement with the shipper to provide 10 trucks a week for $3.50 a mile but doesn't post a rate in the hopes he/she can convince a couple trucks to run for $2.50 a mile... If you call that same broker with the intention of running that load/loads for no less than $3.80 a mile you are probably wasting your time..... Maybe I'm missing something....
My intention was/is to draw attention to this issue... and it worked. I got a phone call from a member of Bulk Loads admin and we talked a few minutes on the issue of rates and product description. My take away from the conversation was that I needed to be a little more proactive in eliminating the habitual turd brokers from my load search i.e block or flag the brokers who always post the wrong pickup and delivery locations, or the brokers posting incorrect product description just to "protect" their loads. This is up to us to fix. "
I would agree, to me if they don't post a rate they are just waiting for someone to pick it up for dirt cheap instead of posting a fair rate.
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Replied on Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 10:49 AM CST
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i am asking if enough people ( carriers) block a broker that post misleading information or doesnt post enough information can and or will admin be able to step in and help change it or remove that broker if that happens enough would the problem fix itsself ? i know it means more wasted time up front but if enough people put a broker on thier blocked list ( with a small explanation )is that enough to change things? |
Replied on Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 11:32 AM CST
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It would be nice if when you blocked a certain brokerage it gave the option to explain why. Sometimes it's not always about habitually posting the wrong product description, or incorrect loading or delivery locations. I blocked a brokerage yesterday because their carrier packet said they basically had the right to pay the carrier when they (the brokerage) got paid... that's in addition to a 2% fee to get paid within 10 days. I'm sorry but I'm not a bank, and what if the brokerage never gets paid for the load??? My available load list is definitely getting smaller as of late because I've blocked quite a few brokerages, but the loads I see are from trusted brokers.
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Replied on Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 01:17 PM CST
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Go ahead and block them all you want, someone else will be glad to take your spot, the truckers themselves are the problem, I would be willing to bet nobody here can name one company that has drivers laid off right now to try and force the rates up, but I bet most can name someone they know who added trucks, or is trying to even if it means 1099ing a company driver and skirting work comp, social security and health insurance.
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Replied on Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 02:36 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Quote: "Hello Michael, we try to encourage brokers and shippers on the load board to post rates and as many details as possible to limit unproductive calls for both parties, but we do not mandate rates due to competion between companies. We do have a system called BulkTMS that allows shippers and brokers to post with rates to only verified carriers and encourage all our shippers and brokers to use BulkTMS to make communication much easier for all parties if they do not wish to share rates publicly. "
We pay for the load board, correct? Why would we want to pay for Bulkloads TMS for something we already pay for? Why not just make the site as user friendly as possible? |
Replied on Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 03:29 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Quote: "Walmart and Target put a price on the shelf no negotiations there. I understand free market competition .The broker has to make a living and according to a recent article brokers now can be liable for carrier and driver safety negligence. But the broker knows or could find out a reasonable estimate of how much a carrier has to have to keep their trucks running. If I were a broker(there is too much risk now) I would try not to insult the men and women who move our country. We have all heard of drivers would not take these cheap loads then maybe they would pay more. Could also be said if brokers negotiated higher rates with shippers then maybe we could all make it. Good brokers thank you. You know the trucker has to have a reasonable rate to keep moving freight on time and safely Cheap brokers why don't you get a truck and haul a few of your own insulting priced loads"
Truckers shop for the cheapest fuel, and brokers or shippers shop for the cheapest truck, capitalism is like jungle law, it’s kill or be killed, the brokers and shippers are not the problem, it’s that guy next to you at the truck stop who stuck a knife in you by accepting that cheap rate.
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Replied on Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 04:00 PM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
All load boards are designed to be more benificial to the broker rather than the truckers. For instance, on this load board you notice that brokers can send out unlimited bulk emails to truckers and trucks posted by just reposting the load multible times. Truckers are only aloud to send out a couple limited bulk emails for loads through bulk loads a week and then you are blocked from doing so. That is just one of many ways these loads boards are catered to the copy and paste brokers that truely make this load board not much more than a consuming time disaster for truckers trying to be productive and efficent. |
Replied on Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 07:21 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Quote: "Truckers shop for the cheapest fuel, and brokers or shippers shop for the cheapest truck, capitalism is like jungle law, it’s kill or be killed, the brokers and shippers are not the problem, it’s that guy next to you at the truck stop who stuck a knife in you by accepting that cheap rate."
Thinning the herd. How else are you going to do it? If it is capitalism, well apparently the supply has exceeded the demand. Anyone going to surrender without kicking and screaming? Someone has to go. Who's it going to be? If the over burden would just quit, those remaining could hold their rates. Right? |
Replied on Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 07:22 AM CST
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Use BL Like they use you. As an intel gathering tool. I have gotten a lot of directs by researching loads posted. And no, not by hauling a load for the broker, then sniffing around the shipper/receivers. I do it the legal way. I guess you can say I’m one of the reasons the posted city is wrong. They don’t want me finding out!
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Replied on Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 09:57 AM CST
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Something nobody mentioned in regards to posting rates, is the fact that many carriers (BUT NOT ALL) don’t want their drivers to see what loads really pay, remember that you don’t need a MC number to be a member of bulkloads, unlike certain other loadboards.
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Replied on Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 09:59 AM CST
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Quote: "Steve, you are not wrong. Maybe instead of blaming Bulk Loads admin we should do a better job on our end of identifying turd brokers. If the load is listed incorrectly i.e wrong town, or wrong product description we should be flagging the load.... If we all did our due diligence the problem would fix itself. "
I like the way yer thinkin! |
Replied on Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 10:00 AM CST
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Quote: "Bulk loads won't do that..they protect them...they say they try..there not tryin at all..they don't"
B*******!!! You want bulk loads to drive the truck too? Run yer business and use bulk loads as a GUIDE! Learn how to do what others are not willing to do. Be different. We all need to do better to (get better rates) make a living wage. Don't blame the messenger. And don't blame me either. I'm just telling the truth. If ya don't like it, move on and keep blaming other! have a nice year! |
Replied on Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 10:01 AM CST
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Quote: "I agree these should be required, "feed ingredients" tells me nothing because hauling SBM verses hulls for instance will be bid differently. So much time wasted just asking for these two simple things. Also get rid of the average lane rate thing it's pretty much pointless."
It literally takes 10 seconds to ask which one it is. Wow. |
Replied on Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 10:31 AM CST
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Quote: "All bulk load board is any more is 1 big lake..with lots of cheap a** brokers and cheap carriers fishin in same water...its was good at 1 point..not any more..they will block u if u say anything negative about these cheap b******"
Why use brokers then? Why are you here b******* about brokers on a load board??? Wow, some kind of ---use it as a tool to find what you want, or stop using brokers, and do it yourself. My gawd. Maybe take a course in economics. Supply n demand. Just the truth. Sorry |
Replied on Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 10:32 AM CST
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Quote: "All load boards are designed to be more benificial to the broker rather than the truckers. For instance, on this load board you notice that brokers can send out unlimited bulk emails to truckers and trucks posted by just reposting the load multible times. Truckers are only aloud to send out a couple limited bulk emails for loads through bulk loads a week and then you are blocked from doing so. That is just one of many ways these loads boards are catered to the copy and paste brokers that truely make this load board not much more than a consuming time disaster for truckers trying to be productive and efficent."
You have been on here for years, and yet, you still say the same message every time every year. It is not Bulk loads thats the problem. Look in the mirror, and don't blame the nessengers. THINK about it! |
Replied on Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 10:36 AM CST
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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.
Quote: "Walmart and Target put a price on the shelf no negotiations there. I understand free market competition .The broker has to make a living and according to a recent article brokers now can be liable for carrier and driver safety negligence. But the broker knows or could find out a reasonable estimate of how much a carrier has to have to keep their trucks running. If I were a broker(there is too much risk now) I would try not to insult the men and women who move our country. We have all heard of drivers would not take these cheap loads then maybe they would pay more. Could also be said if brokers negotiated higher rates with shippers then maybe we could all make it. Good brokers thank you. You know the trucker has to have a reasonable rate to keep moving freight on time and safely Cheap brokers why don't you get a truck and haul a few of your own insulting priced loads"
Douglas, did you re read your post? There is too much risk? WTH? and you complain about brokers making too much? Send that one to Larry the Cable Guy. I'm not being a jerk...just the d*** truth. Most of these posts bashing brokers are funny. DON'T USE THEN THEN! Do it yerselves. Try contacting the shippers maybe you can get a better rate. But just try it, and don't bash the hands that feed ya now. Do you think there are brokers that read these comments? By the way, I challenge any of you to know how much of a percentage a broker makes. 20%? 30%? you will be hard pressed to find the average making over 8-10% I'll bet! |
Replied on Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 10:36 AM CST
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Quote: "I would agree, to me if they don't post a rate they are just waiting for someone to pick it up for dirt cheap instead of posting a fair rate."
Wouldn't you? Do you take the first price the dealer gives you when you buy a truck? I wish most on here would really think after they type out their comments. Most of the time people are mad, and start venting. If UPS and FEDEX shipped to the same location for ya but one was $10.00 cheaper, and service times the same, who are you gonna call? |
Replied on Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 10:37 AM CST
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Quote: "Just a bunch of guys fighting over 2 dollar freight..thats what bokers want..cause the winner will haul the s*** 4 a dollar...and broker puts the rest in his pocck"
So I assume you are gonna start yer broker business today? beings how brokers make the money? Why do you still drive? better call Saul, and get into the broker biz, and you can do the same as all the brokers! Seems pretty simple to me. let me know when you get yours up and running...heck let us all know, then, you can be the only broker that... IS NOT SCREWING THE CARRIERS!!!!! |
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You go Dave! HA HA HA HA! You must have some spare time. Saying what I'm thinking. |
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I suspect many arrogant people will soon be humbled when they watch their own rates get cut, and they find themselves in the same spot as where others are now. Between 2005-2009 30% of motor carriers went out of business, that will pale in comparison to what’s coming, interest rates will soon be back to where they were in 1980, and the supply chains are broken, How many of you folks buying fertilizer believe inflation is only 7 percent?
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Replied on Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 06:13 AM CST
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Quote: "So I assume you are gonna start yer broker business today? beings how brokers make the money? Why do you still drive? better call Saul, and get into the broker biz, and you can do the same as all the brokers! Seems pretty simple to me. let me know when you get yours up and running...heck let us all know, then, you can be the only broker that... IS NOT SCREWING THE CARRIERS!!!!! "
Dave, if you were in the market for a car with a $30,000 budget and picked up the classifieds and almost every add looked like this... CAR FOR SALE: HAS TIRES AND RIMS; JOLIET, IL CALL! CAR FOR SALE: HAS STEERING WHEEL; GRAND ISLAND NE CALL! .... And when you take the time to call on car #1 it has tires & rims but no brakes, it's been in a fire and it's $35,000.... you get irritated... .... So you call on car #2 excited that at least it has a steering wheel, but it's NOT located in Grand Island, NE it's located in Fargo, ND and it's $50,000.... yep, that is what it's (often) like looking for loads here. Yes, we are all business men and women here. Like I mentioned in my original post, most everything in business is negotiable. Sometimes a little give and take can go a long ways.
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Replied on Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 06:13 AM CST
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Good brokers instead of hood |
Replied on Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 06:14 AM CST
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To Dave Nichel. In the post I said I would not be a broker because now they share the risk. Also remember Thank you to the hood brokers out there !! Hope all can find a way to make it. Not angry just wishing for everyone ' s best Thank You |
Replied on Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 08:31 AM CST
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Quote: "I've been saying this all along "
Easier way is for fed CSA TO REQUIRE COST OF ANY FREIGHT ON A Y LOAD TO BE ON BOL. IF NOT FINE 1OO,OOO TO BE assessed aginest shipper. 90% to go to co. Shipping Co. This will all stealing by shippers and brokers or freight Co and o/o.
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Quote: "I've been saying this all along "
Easier way is for fed CSA TO REQUIRE COST OF ANY FREIGHT ON A Y LOAD TO BE ON BOL. IF NOT FINE 1OO,OOO TO BE assessed aginest shipper. 90% to go to co. Shipping Co. This will all stealing by shippers and brokers or freight Co and o/o.
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Quote: "Walmart and Target put a price on the shelf no negotiations there. I understand free market competition .The broker has to make a living and according to a recent article brokers now can be liable for carrier and driver safety negligence. But the broker knows or could find out a reasonable estimate of how much a carrier has to have to keep their trucks running. If I were a broker(there is too much risk now) I would try not to insult the men and women who move our country. We have all heard of drivers would not take these cheap loads then maybe they would pay more. Could also be said if brokers negotiated higher rates with shippers then maybe we could all make it. Good brokers thank you. You know the trucker has to have a reasonable rate to keep moving freight on time and safely Cheap brokers why don't you get a truck and haul a few of your own insulting priced loads"
Doug, I'll start by saying I'm a broker. It would be nice if all brokers played nice, but that is just not how it works. It is so enticing for the customer, who the broker has a relationship with, go with another broker that comes in and cuts the rates. They get 10+ calls a day from brokers and carriers. I don't care the relationship you build with a shipper, eventually you're going to lose it on price. When things are slow, it's even worse. The only time you can negotiate better prices is when everyone is busy and the supply of freight is higher than the amount of trucks, and that is not right now. I try to do right by both carrier and shipper, but these cheap brokers are kicking my a** too. |
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Quote: "Easier way is for fed CSA TO REQUIRE COST OF ANY FREIGHT ON A Y LOAD TO BE ON BOL. IF NOT FINE 1OO,OOO TO BE assessed aginest shipper. 90% to go to co. Shipping Co. This will all stealing by shippers and brokers or freight Co and o/o."
So you want more government oversight? Did i just read that right? You're going to trust the government more than a broker? Did i fall into a Twilight Zone episode?
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Replied on Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 02:43 PM CST
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Quote: "So you want more government oversight? Did i just read that right? You're going to trust the government more than a broker? Did i fall into a Twilight Zone episode?
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Crazy how carriers want less government intervention but at the same time want more government intervention. LOL!
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Quote: "Crazy how carriers want less government intervention but at the same time want more government intervention. LOL!"
Wouldn’t it be cool if government got out of the way, and we got rid of all the barriers that keep people out of trucking, get rid of the requirement for a license and insurance? Get rid of the Borders and just let everyone on the planet come here and start trucking, give the free market a chance man.
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It would be even more cool if government got rid of all the courts that carriers turn to when they get stiffed by customers who don’t pay their bills, it’s so anti free market man.
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Quote: "Easier way is for fed CSA TO REQUIRE COST OF ANY FREIGHT ON A Y LOAD TO BE ON BOL. IF NOT FINE 1OO,OOO TO BE assessed aginest shipper. 90% to go to co. Shipping Co. This will all stealing by shippers and brokers or freight Co and o/o."
No way this idea would end badly....every lane has a rate assigned to it to be put on the BOL....who sets those rates? The shippers? The carriers? the Govnt? Who enforces this? The DOT? How can we know if someone is getting "money under the table" to make certain lanes cheaper or more expensive? Yeah this idea clearly should go to the top of the list on "how to fix trucking" |
Replied on Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 08:15 AM CST
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It's call line haul, if you find something on the way back that's your benefit, don't give in
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Replied on Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 08:17 AM CST
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Quote: "I suspect many arrogant people will soon be humbled when they watch their own rates get cut, and they find themselves in the same spot as where others are now. Between 2005-2009 30% of motor carriers went out of business, that will pale in comparison to what’s coming, interest rates will soon be back to where they were in 1980, and the supply chains are broken, How many of you folks buying fertilizer believe inflation is only 7 percent?"
i like it when arrogant people are humbled i think there should be more of it in 2021 109,340 trucking companies started in 2020 it was 59,538 trucking companies in 2018 it was 43,953 trucking companies 70 % of which are single driver operations this does not include leased owner operators i read these numbersand wonder trucking maufacturers did not build more trucks trailer manufacturers did not build more plants i know there was a waiting list on both but production did not go up that much does this mean we are fixing to sea truck and trailer junk yards boom ? the number of CDL applicants ( from what i can find) did not go up percentage wise as trucking companies for some reason all of this spiked the spot market which ( in my opinion alone ) is why people could make a living with brokers and off of load boards how long does it take for the cleansing to correct the balance when somthing like this happens ? i am assuming the freight industry can not handle the boom in non pandemic/non whatever crisis ? or will this fix the 81,000 driver shortage that is being reported to exist ? |
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For some reason the video starts off part way along, but if you move the ticker back to the beginning you will catch the part where our economy was only growing at 2 percent, while China's economy is growing at 6-9 percent, i.e. their eating our lunch. |
Replied on Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 06:22 PM CST
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Quote: "i like it when arrogant people are humbled i think there should be more of it
in 2021 109,340 trucking companies started
in 2020 it was 59,538 trucking companies
in 2018 it was 43,953 trucking companies
70 % of which are single driver operations
this does not include leased owner operators
i read these numbersand wonder trucking maufacturers did not build more trucks trailer manufacturers did not build more plants
i know there was a waiting list on both but production did not go up that much does this mean we are fixing to sea truck and trailer junk yards boom ?
the number of CDL applicants ( from what i can find) did not go up percentage wise as trucking companies
for some reason all of this spiked the spot market which ( in my opinion alone ) is why people could make a living with brokers and off of load boards
how long does it take for the cleansing to correct the balance when somthing like this happens ?
i am assuming the freight industry can not handle the boom in non pandemic/non whatever crisis ?
or will this fix the 81,000 driver shortage that is being reported to exist ?"
Your data only shows new entrants, it does not show how many power units (or trailers) were added by pre existing fleet operations UCR data is only updated every 2 years, so it's always lagging behind, but you raised a point that the manufacturers did not run out and expand operations or production, there are a couple of reasons for that, first they were constricted by the supply chain and simply could'nt get components, but secondly they understand from decades of sales data what sustainable growth is, they have no incentive to overproduce and erode the market, they dont operate like truckers do, they try to protect their markets by controlling the supply, as people loose them they will go to the same places they always have, for truckers to do good in the current framework of derregulation there has to be strong economic expansion, wich there is not we are in a global recession and it's going to get much worse. The entire West FAILED to defeat Russia | Prof. Rich Wolff - YouTube |
Replied on Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 08:19 AM CST
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i dont think the equipment production changed at all what you said was exactly right just because new companies started does not mean more equipment was built i think more used equipment was used longer than normal i am not sure how to measure how much more freight was moved (if any)because more people got to stay home without a fear of loss disrupting supply chains either at the manufacture level all the way to the retail level by fear of loss i mean during the pandemic people could not get fired or evicted or a whole host of other things if they felt like they may have covid or at least the symtoms of it and did not go to work what really just happened?it was not a economic boom in trucking did the spot rates go up because of all of the people not working during the pandemic that keep a very delicate logistics industry moving i have heard for most of my adult life that if all of the trucks stop even for just one 24 hour period that our economy will go into a tail spin from hell the worst depression we have ever seen if that is true ( and we have a shortage of drivers 80,000) why isnt trucking one of the most lucrative professions to be a part of ? |
Replied on Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 08:26 AM CST
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Y'all need to realize Jared and Matt are greedy. If they make the brokers post the rates then the double brokering bottom suckers stop paying them to be on the load board. That cost Jared and Matt money. They don't care about the owner operator they care about the bottom line profit of the company. Now I'm sure I'll get a call or text from Levi or Nick saying oh did someone make you mad. Because I post this like when I do in other forums. But it doesn't take a genius to figure out why they don't make the rates be a requirement.
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Replied on Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 08:47 AM CST
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Quote: "Y'all need to realize Jared and Matt are greedy. If they make the brokers post the rates then the double brokering bottom suckers stop paying them to be on the load board. That cost Jared and Matt money. They don't care about the owner operator they care about the bottom line profit of the company. Now I'm sure I'll get a call or text from Levi or Nick saying oh did someone make you mad. Because I post this like when I do in other forums. But it doesn't take a genius to figure out why they don't make the rates be a requirement."
Hello Michael we have spoke in the past and we appreciate the feedback from the forum. Iron sharpens iron and we are working with carriers, brokers, and shippers to continue making this load board better even in times like this. We do have Bulkloads+ which allows carriers to be dispatched loads directly. I can go over this with you or anyone else that would like more information or visit Bulkloads+ and check it out. |
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Quote: "i dont think the equipment production changed at all
what you said was exactly right
just because new companies started does not mean more equipment was built
i think more used equipment was used longer than normal
i am not sure how to measure how much more freight was moved (if any)because more people got to stay home without a fear of loss disrupting supply chains either at the manufacture level all the way to the retail level
by fear of loss i mean during the pandemic people could not get fired or evicted or a whole host of other things if they felt like they may have covid or at least the symtoms of it and did not go to work
what really just happened?it was not a economic boom in trucking did the spot rates go up because of all of the people not working during the pandemic that keep a very delicate logistics industry moving
i have heard for most of my adult life that if all of the trucks stop even for just one 24 hour period that our economy will go into a tail spin from hell the worst depression we have ever seen
if that is true ( and we have a shortage of drivers 80,000) why isnt trucking one of the most lucrative professions to be a part of ?"
You did have a spike in freight shipments from China, because everyone ordered extra inventory based on fears that it may not be available in the future, but it was only temporary, the shortage of warehouse space backed up the supply chain from the retailer to the Costal ports, the idea became to just throw a bunch of trucks at it, You could sort of compare it to what happens in a avalanche, they throw every available resource at it to open it up as fast as they can based on time sensitivity, but you don’t need to keep the extra personal around once everything is dug out and opened up. Overlapping all that was the fact that many folks were rebuilding pre 2000 trucks to evade the ELD mandate, and the temporary boost in rates provided them the money to do that, along with idle loans and other Covid money, everyone went out and built a new shop and grabbed every owner operator they could find, now Jerome Powell says its time to create DEMAND DESTRUCTION and take it all back.
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I parked my truck last fall. I figured by now I'd see a bounce back in rates. Wow was I wrong. I can't believe the s*** being listed. Please can I pay to haul your freight? |
Replied on Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 04:52 PM CST
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Quote: "Hello Michael, we try to encourage brokers and shippers on the load board to post rates and as many details as possible to limit unproductive calls for both parties, but we do not mandate rates due to competion between companies. We do have a system called BulkTMS that allows shippers and brokers to post with rates to only verified carriers and encourage all our shippers and brokers to use BulkTMS to make communication much easier for all parties if they do not wish to share rates publicly. "
Maybe it's time to move a couple steps above "encourage". |
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Quote: "Douglas, did you re read your post? There is too much risk? WTH? and you complain about brokers making too much? Send that one to Larry the Cable Guy.
I'm not being a jerk...just the d*** truth. Most of these posts bashing brokers are funny. DON'T USE THEN THEN! Do it yerselves. Try contacting the shippers maybe you can get a better rate. But just try it, and don't bash the hands that feed ya now. Do you think there are brokers that read these comments? By the way, I challenge any of you to know how much of a percentage a broker makes. 20%? 30%? you will be hard pressed to find the average making over 8-10% I'll bet!"
Dave, You can say Damn on the load board, I doubt anyone would be offended, hell you might even feel better! |
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Quote: "Hello Michael we have spoke in the past and we appreciate the feedback from the forum. Iron sharpens iron and we are working with carriers, brokers, and shippers to continue making this load board better even in times like this. We do have Bulkloads+ which allows carriers to be dispatched loads directly. I can go over this with you or anyone else that would like more information or visit Bulkloads+ and check it out."
Bulkloads+ what the hell is that? I bet it's an additional paid service rather than the regular subscription.. Sheesh, just clean up what you have.."Come on Man" |
Replied on Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 09:07 PM CST
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Quote: "I parked my truck last fall. I figured by now I'd see a bounce back in rates. Wow was I wrong. I can't believe the s*** being listed. Please can I pay to haul your freight?"
No Michael, same ole s***, you haven't missed a thing. |
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Quote: "No Michael, same ole s***, you haven't missed a thing."
New cast of characters. Otherwise yes, same old s***. Where did they go? Where did they come from? |
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Quote: "Hello Michael we have spoke in the past and we appreciate the feedback from the forum. Iron sharpens iron and we are working with carriers, brokers, and shippers to continue making this load board better even in times like this. We do have Bulkloads+ which allows carriers to be dispatched loads directly. I can go over this with you or anyone else that would like more information or visit Bulkloads+ and check it out."
As far as your quoting Proverbs 27:17 let's finish the quote. "So one person sharpens another" So if we are going to use this quote. And the amount of people I see on here with ways of solving the problem, but there isn't any action taken. Iron isn't sharpening iron.
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Quote: "Hello Michael we have spoke in the past and we appreciate the feedback from the forum. Iron sharpens iron and we are working with carriers, brokers, and shippers to continue making this load board better even in times like this. We do have Bulkloads+ which allows carriers to be dispatched loads directly. I can go over this with you or anyone else that would like more information or visit Bulkloads+ and check it out."
Nothing you just said helps solve the problem that was asked about by the OP. Does the bulkloads + give a rate for every load? Why do we need a quote to know all the information about this plus item? We've spoke about the double brokering obviously still a problem and nothing is being done yet. And the rate requirement would solve a large chunk of that problem.
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Do brokers/farmers/shippers have to pay to posts loads?
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Quote: "Bulkloads+ what the hell is that? I bet it's an additional paid service rather than the regular subscription.. Sheesh, just clean up what you have.."Come on Man""
BulkLoads+ is simply just our BulkTMS (TMS stands for Transportation Management System) plus access to the traditional public load board. The additional costs is only if you want access to features such as dispatching, invoicing, and document capture. This is for all users; carriers, brokers, and shippers. BulkLoads+ is not a place with additional loads or anything of that nature. The private load offers that you may notice is just a place where shippers and brokers can send load details to carriers in their network. This would be very similar to mass emails you receive from various customers, just through a bulkloads notification. |