Broker against Brokers

Jun 26, 2024 at 12:34 PM CST + 27 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Maybe you guys should look into working with each other. I've been looking for a steady broker but.. Y'all just don't want to work together. You can't have ALL of it. Form an alliance off the books with a few friends, under the table. Damn this one load over here and one load over there. We are passing each other loaded one way and empty the other.

Replied on Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 09:27 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I mean it makes sense - but I am sure someone would mess it up and it would be seen as anticompetitive behavior...

Replied on Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 09:27 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. sounds like an antitrust lawsuit about to happen

Replied on Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 11:14 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Brokers are not allowed technically to take freight from another broker.

Replied on Sat, Jul 27, 2024 at 07:21 PM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. What's so hard to understand "work together"? I didn't say anything about double brokering or taking a load from another broker. I'm talking about the ones that focus on loads coming from the Midwest(or any where) going to specific areas. Get with the broker that focuses on the area you are sending a truck. See if that broker would work out a list coming back into the area you focus on. Work together, communicate. Have a network setup. Nothing illegal, nothing on the" down low". Just one company working with another. It has been done, but for some reason everyone has developed the "I want all of it" mentality over the years. YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT ALL!! Get over yourselves, drop the measuring contest and let's get on with making money again. All of us.

Replied on Sat, Jul 27, 2024 at 07:21 PM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

What's so hard to understand "work together"? I didn't say anything about double brokering or taking a load from another broker. I'm talking about the ones that focus on loads coming from the Midwest(or any where) going to specific areas. Get with the broker that focuses on the area you are sending a truck. See if that broker would work out a list coming back into the area you focus on. Work together, communicate. Have a network setup. Nothing illegal, nothing on the" down low". Just one company working with another. It has been done, but for some reason everyone has developed the "I want all of it" mentality over the years. YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT ALL!! Get over yourselves, drop the measuring contest and let's get on with making money again. All of us.

Replied on Sat, Jul 27, 2024 at 07:34 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. They will never work together. Because all it would take is one to cut the others rate to take it for therself and its back to hush mouth again.

Replied on Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 09:07 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Brokers are not allowed technically to take freight from another broker. " This is inaccurate. It is perfectly legal for one broker to take a load from another broker, as long as both parties are clearly operating as brokers. It is not legal for a carrier (or a broker representing themselves as a carrier) to take a load from a broker and then pass that load on to another carrier or another broker.

Replied on Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 09:07 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "Brokers are not allowed technically to take freight from another broker. "

This is inaccurate.

It is perfectly legal for one broker to take a load from another broker, as long as both parties are clearly operating as brokers.

It is not legal for a carrier (or a broker representing themselves as a carrier) to take a load from a broker and then pass that load on to another carrier or another broker.

Replied on Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 08:29 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Why don't anybody stop *** *** from double brokering or wills logistics from double brokering and Killin the rates on just about everything?????? Double brokering is illegal

Replied on Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 07:38 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. It's real simply, don't haul for them but that's not gonna happen cause no one can stick together!!

Replied on Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 10:15 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "This is inaccurate. It is perfectly legal for one broker to take a load from another broker, as long as both parties are clearly operating as brokers. It is not legal for a carrier (or a broker representing themselves as a carrier) to take a load from a broker and then pass that load on to another carrier or another broker." This is abslutely correct, it would help if some on here would read & understand the law.

Replied on Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 10:15 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "This is inaccurate. It is perfectly legal for one broker to take a load from another broker, as long as both parties are clearly operating as brokers. It is not legal for a carrier (or a broker representing themselves as a carrier) to take a load from a broker and then pass that load on to another carrier or another broker."

This is abslutely correct, it would help if some on here would read & understand the law.

Replied on Fri, Aug 02, 2024 at 11:20 AM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "It's real simply, don't haul for them but that's not gonna happen cause no one can stick together!!" Exactly, CARRIERS are the only ones with the ability to fix the rate problem. Don't blame the brokers, and dispatchers for the s***** rates. They are too busy fighting each other for customers to worry about your profitability, and if you don't know you're getting a load from a dispatcher, who got a load from a broker, that's on YOU. The ONLY solution to the problem is STOP taking loads you can't make a profit on, hold the shippers, recievers, brokers, and dispatchers accountable for accessorial costs like wash outs, and fule surcharges, don't allow one load to subsidize a low rate on another, and finally refuse to work for free. If someone refuses to pay detention, refuse to haul it. No one works for free, why should we be any different. I know this will never happen, we're too divided and that's exactly the plan. It's way easier to conquer a divided population than a united one. Hell, you could put 20 people in a room with a peanut butter and jelly sandwich on the table and half of the crowd would swear it's ham, and if you disagree you're a racist ham a phobe.🤦‍♂️ Ok, Carl let's go get some juice😎

Replied on Fri, Aug 02, 2024 at 11:20 AM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "It's real simply, don't haul for them but that's not gonna happen cause no one can stick together!!"

Exactly, CARRIERS are the only ones with the ability to fix the rate problem. Don't blame the brokers, and dispatchers for the s***** rates. They are too busy fighting each other for customers to worry about your profitability, and if you don't know you're getting a load from a dispatcher, who got a load from a broker, that's on YOU. The ONLY solution to the problem is STOP taking loads you can't make a profit on, hold the shippers, recievers, brokers, and dispatchers accountable for accessorial costs like wash outs, and fule surcharges, don't allow one load to subsidize a low rate on another, and finally refuse to work for free. If someone refuses to pay detention, refuse to haul it. No one works for free, why should we be any different.

I know this will never happen, we're too divided and that's exactly the plan. It's way easier to conquer a divided population than a united one. Hell, you could put 20 people in a room with a peanut butter and jelly sandwich on the table and half of the crowd would swear it's ham, and if you disagree you're a racist ham a phobe.🤦‍♂️

Ok, Carl let's go get some juice😎

Replied on Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 03:47 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. All this would end quickly park the dam trucks hell you make more money if you did cause you damn sure ain't spending any on the road, it would take about three days and you would see a change. All these fly by night brokers stop dealing with them and put them out to dry cause there is on loyalty anymore, now on that note I do deal with some good brokers that I have a good working relationship with its a Teo way street they even want take cheap loads to load but enough is enough! In the late 80 and 90 when fuel was cheap I was pulling rates higher than now, so all the cry baby's stop batching if don't know how to say no to a cheap load are leave the damn truck parked in the yard stop crying cause it's your own fault!

Replied on Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 03:47 PM CST

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All this would end quickly park the dam trucks hell you make more money if you did cause you damn sure ain't spending any on the road, it would take about three days and you would see a change. All these fly by night brokers stop dealing with them and put them out to dry cause there is on loyalty anymore, now on that note I do deal with some good brokers that I have a good working relationship with its a Teo way street they even want take cheap loads to load but enough is enough! In the late 80 and 90 when fuel was cheap I was pulling rates higher than now, so all the cry baby's stop batching if don't know how to say no to a cheap load are leave the damn truck parked in the yard stop crying cause it's your own fault!

Replied on Mon, Aug 05, 2024 at 01:40 PM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "All this would end quickly park the dam trucks hell you make more money if you did cause you damn sure ain't spending any on the road, it would take about three days and you would see a change. All these fly by night brokers stop dealing with them and put them out to dry cause there is on loyalty anymore, now on that note I do deal with some good brokers that I have a good working relationship with its a Teo way street they even want take cheap loads to load but enough is enough! In the late 80 and 90 when fuel was cheap I was pulling rates higher than now, so all the cry baby's stop batching if don't know how to say no to a cheap load are leave the damn truck parked in the yard stop crying cause it's your own fault!" The reason we would not shut down is because we have direct customers that we care about to much to leave them hanging. This summer, we have driven past more low paying loads than we have hauled good paying and have told brokers that we would do so. Believe me, when this turns around, and it always does, those who tried to cut a fat calf on the back of the carriers will be paying higher rates than the ones who offered a fair price year round! I have been in this business since 1987. 24 years as a driver and 13 years behind the desk and I can tell you with certainty that things will turn around! I personally would like to go back to the days when there were not as many brokers out there! I would love to see the good ones celebrated and the poor ones shamed. I would also like to go back to a day when you did not have to have a broker license to post a load. We did not do it often, but if I had to many customer loads, I would put one out on the board. Not to make money on it but to make sure the needs of our customer's were met! If the load paid 2/cwt, we would take .05-.10/cwt to cover the cost of doing the paperwork. I realize there are some out there that did not pay their bills! We have been stung by them once or twice too, but not to often. Hold your heads high, make sure your customers are taken care of and you will be just fine! Good luck and stay profitable! Keith

Replied on Mon, Aug 05, 2024 at 01:40 PM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "All this would end quickly park the dam trucks hell you make more money if you did cause you damn sure ain't spending any on the road, it would take about three days and you would see a change. All these fly by night brokers stop dealing with them and put them out to dry cause there is on loyalty anymore, now on that note I do deal with some good brokers that I have a good working relationship with its a Teo way street they even want take cheap loads to load but enough is enough! In the late 80 and 90 when fuel was cheap I was pulling rates higher than now, so all the cry baby's stop batching if don't know how to say no to a cheap load are leave the damn truck parked in the yard stop crying cause it's your own fault!"

The reason we would not shut down is because we have direct customers that we care about to much to leave them hanging. This summer, we have driven past more low paying loads than we have hauled good paying and have told brokers that we would do so. Believe me, when this turns around, and it always does, those who tried to cut a fat calf on the back of the carriers will be paying higher rates than the ones who offered a fair price year round! I have been in this business since 1987. 24 years as a driver and 13 years behind the desk and I can tell you with certainty that things will turn around!

I personally would like to go back to the days when there were not as many brokers out there! I would love to see the good ones celebrated and the poor ones shamed. I would also like to go back to a day when you did not have to have a broker license to post a load. We did not do it often, but if I had to many customer loads, I would put one out on the board. Not to make money on it but to make sure the needs of our customer's were met! If the load paid 2/cwt, we would take .05-.10/cwt to cover the cost of doing the paperwork. I realize there are some out there that did not pay their bills! We have been stung by them once or twice too, but not to often.

Hold your heads high, make sure your customers are taken care of and you will be just fine! Good luck and stay profitable!

Keith

Replied on Tue, Aug 06, 2024 at 07:33 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "The reason we would not shut down is because we have direct customers that we care about to much to leave them hanging. This summer, we have driven past more low paying loads than we have hauled good paying and have told brokers that we would do so. Believe me, when this turns around, and it always does, those who tried to cut a fat calf on the back of the carriers will be paying higher rates than the ones who offered a fair price year round! I have been in this business since 1987. 24 years as a driver and 13 years behind the desk and I can tell you with certainty that things will turn around! I personally would like to go back to the days when there were not as many brokers out there! I would love to see the good ones celebrated and the poor ones shamed. I would also like to go back to a day when you did not have to have a broker license to post a load. We did not do it often, but if I had to many customer loads, I would put one out on the board. Not to make money on it but to make sure the needs of our customer's were met! If the load paid 2/cwt, we would take .05-.10/cwt to cover the cost of doing the paperwork. I realize there are some out there that did not pay their bills! We have been stung by them once or twice too, but not to often. Hold your heads high, make sure your customers are taken care of and you will be just fine! Good luck and stay profitable! Keith" I wonder how many have no customers. Other than brokers. How many don't think the broker is their customer. The broker is buying their service, which makes them a customer. Yes, taking care of my customers and watching for new opportunity. The freight fraud seems rampant and almost unimaginable in the other truck load segments. The industry is being wrecked by these people.

Replied on Tue, Aug 06, 2024 at 07:33 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "The reason we would not shut down is because we have direct customers that we care about to much to leave them hanging. This summer, we have driven past more low paying loads than we have hauled good paying and have told brokers that we would do so. Believe me, when this turns around, and it always does, those who tried to cut a fat calf on the back of the carriers will be paying higher rates than the ones who offered a fair price year round! I have been in this business since 1987. 24 years as a driver and 13 years behind the desk and I can tell you with certainty that things will turn around! I personally would like to go back to the days when there were not as many brokers out there! I would love to see the good ones celebrated and the poor ones shamed. I would also like to go back to a day when you did not have to have a broker license to post a load. We did not do it often, but if I had to many customer loads, I would put one out on the board. Not to make money on it but to make sure the needs of our customer's were met! If the load paid 2/cwt, we would take .05-.10/cwt to cover the cost of doing the paperwork. I realize there are some out there that did not pay their bills! We have been stung by them once or twice too, but not to often. Hold your heads high, make sure your customers are taken care of and you will be just fine! Good luck and stay profitable! Keith"

I wonder how many have no customers. Other than brokers. How many don't think the broker is their customer. The broker is buying their service, which makes them a customer.

Yes, taking care of my customers and watching for new opportunity.

The freight fraud seems rampant and almost unimaginable in the other truck load segments. The industry is being wrecked by these people.

Replied on Tue, Aug 06, 2024 at 10:21 AM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I wonder how many have no customers. Other than brokers. How many don't think the broker is their customer. The broker is buying their service, which makes them a customer. Yes, taking care of my customers and watching for new opportunity. The freight fraud seems rampant and almost unimaginable in the other truck load segments. The industry is being wrecked by these people." The money is not in working for brokers. You need to establish yourself and your name with service and respect and actively seek the new opportunities you speak of. I know that I have a network of go to brokers for when I get into a certain areas. We also have direct customers that we make sure to take of. That is how you make it in this business, in my opinion? We have been around a long time and plan on being here for as long as we can. So my advice is, do your research, ask questions and look around for direct shippers that will work with you to make your life easier!

Replied on Tue, Aug 06, 2024 at 10:21 AM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "I wonder how many have no customers. Other than brokers. How many don't think the broker is their customer. The broker is buying their service, which makes them a customer. Yes, taking care of my customers and watching for new opportunity. The freight fraud seems rampant and almost unimaginable in the other truck load segments. The industry is being wrecked by these people."

The money is not in working for brokers. You need to establish yourself and your name with service and respect and actively seek the new opportunities you speak of. I know that I have a network of go to brokers for when I get into a certain areas. We also have direct customers that we make sure to take of. That is how you make it in this business, in my opinion? We have been around a long time and plan on being here for as long as we can.

So my advice is, do your research, ask questions and look around for direct shippers that will work with you to make your life easier!

Replied on Tue, Aug 06, 2024 at 02:44 PM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I wonder how many have no customers. Other than brokers. How many don't think the broker is their customer. The broker is buying their service, which makes them a customer. Yes, taking care of my customers and watching for new opportunity. The freight fraud seems rampant and almost unimaginable in the other truck load segments. The industry is being wrecked by these people." I hope I didn't sound like I was preaching to you! I reread my response and kinda thought I came off that way. Dean you are exactly right! In this world of new brokers and new carriers, there is much to be learned before either can be effective! First off, know the amount it cost you to run and don't run for less than that. Know what all grains weigh so you can figure out if it is a good deal to haul the loads offered. Know what grains are hauled by the bushel, hundred weight (CWT), ton and what products need to have a flat rate. Know how much per hour your truck needs to make while doing short loads. You may get offered $6/mile but if the load only goes 20 miles, you will not be profitable! There are many variables that exsist in the transportation industry. Those variables do not exsist for the broker like they do for the carrier. When you have rolling stock, there is a static number per mile that must be acheived and a break even point for every week. You must acheive that weekly nut berfore you put any profit in your pocket. My rule of thumb for working in the transportation industry is that we work Monday thru Wednesday to acheive that weekly nut and then you work the next two days for the "gravy" (profit). If you are working with a broker or carrier that does not have your best interest in mind, it is a recipe for failure! The company you pull for, HAS to realize that without the guys behind the wheel, they make nothing! All I can say at the end of the day is that I go home and look in the mirror and am proud of what I had a hand in building and hope to continue building with people I trust in this industry! Rant over. Hope you all can hang in there and remain profitable! Like Justin from Just Trucking says, "know your worth!' Remember, you are not out here for your health, you are here to support yourselve and your families! Best of luck all!

Replied on Tue, Aug 06, 2024 at 02:44 PM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

I hope I didn't sound like I was preaching to you! I reread my response and kinda thought I came off that way. Dean you are exactly right! In this world of new brokers and new carriers, there is much to be learned before either can be effective! First off, know the amount it cost you to run and don't run for less than that. Know what all grains weigh so you can figure out if it is a good deal to haul the loads offered. Know what grains are hauled by the bushel, hundred weight (CWT), ton and what products need to have a flat rate. Know how much per hour your truck needs to make while doing short loads. You may get offered $6/mile but if the load only goes 20 miles, you will not be profitable! There are many variables that exsist in the transportation industry. Those variables do not exsist for the broker like they do for the carrier. When you have rolling stock, there is a static number per mile that must be acheived and a break even point for every week. You must acheive that weekly nut berfore you put any profit in your pocket. My rule of thumb for working in the transportation industry is that we work Monday thru Wednesday to acheive that weekly nut and then you work the next two days for the "gravy" (profit). If you are working with a broker or carrier that does not have your best interest in mind, it is a recipe for failure! The company you pull for, HAS to realize that without the guys behind the wheel, they make nothing!

All I can say at the end of the day is that I go home and look in the mirror and am proud of what I had a hand in building and hope to continue building with people I trust in this industry! Rant over. Hope you all can hang in there and remain profitable! Like Justin from Just Trucking says, "know your worth!' Remember, you are not out here for your health, you are here to support yourselve and your families! Best of luck all!

Replied on Wed, Aug 07, 2024 at 08:32 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I hope I didn't sound like I was preaching to you! I reread my response and kinda thought I came off that way. Dean you are exactly right! In this world of new brokers and new carriers, there is much to be learned before either can be effective! First off, know the amount it cost you to run and don't run for less than that. Know what all grains weigh so you can figure out if it is a good deal to haul the loads offered. Know what grains are hauled by the bushel, hundred weight (CWT), ton and what products need to have a flat rate. Know how much per hour your truck needs to make while doing short loads. You may get offered $6/mile but if the load only goes 20 miles, you will not be profitable! There are many variables that exsist in the transportation industry. Those variables do not exsist for the broker like they do for the carrier. When you have rolling stock, there is a static number per mile that must be acheived and a break even point for every week. You must acheive that weekly nut berfore you put any profit in your pocket. My rule of thumb for working in the transportation industry is that we work Monday thru Wednesday to acheive that weekly nut and then you work the next two days for the "gravy" (profit). If you are working with a broker or carrier that does not have your best interest in mind, it is a recipe for failure! The company you pull for, HAS to realize that without the guys behind the wheel, they make nothing! All I can say at the end of the day is that I go home and look in the mirror and am proud of what I had a hand in building and hope to continue building with people I trust in this industry! Rant over. Hope you all can hang in there and remain profitable! Like Justin from Just Trucking says, "know your worth!' Remember, you are not out here for your health, you are here to support yourselve and your families! Best of luck all!" No sweat Keith. Anyone that knows me has heard me say that if I were to write a book about Walk-Way Transport, I'd be on my 7th or 8th chapter. A good long chapter ended back in December. I got my authority in January 1996 and been mostly been a one man band. Historically my business with brokers is less than 10%. Almost 0 on the bulk side. I have rarely stepped away from a customer. Usually things just play out and you ride it to the end with an eye on the next move. For the short term, my equipment is paid for and I'm enjoying extra time at home and in the shop getting ready...

Replied on Wed, Aug 07, 2024 at 08:32 AM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "I hope I didn't sound like I was preaching to you! I reread my response and kinda thought I came off that way. Dean you are exactly right! In this world of new brokers and new carriers, there is much to be learned before either can be effective! First off, know the amount it cost you to run and don't run for less than that. Know what all grains weigh so you can figure out if it is a good deal to haul the loads offered. Know what grains are hauled by the bushel, hundred weight (CWT), ton and what products need to have a flat rate. Know how much per hour your truck needs to make while doing short loads. You may get offered $6/mile but if the load only goes 20 miles, you will not be profitable! There are many variables that exsist in the transportation industry. Those variables do not exsist for the broker like they do for the carrier. When you have rolling stock, there is a static number per mile that must be acheived and a break even point for every week. You must acheive that weekly nut berfore you put any profit in your pocket. My rule of thumb for working in the transportation industry is that we work Monday thru Wednesday to acheive that weekly nut and then you work the next two days for the "gravy" (profit). If you are working with a broker or carrier that does not have your best interest in mind, it is a recipe for failure! The company you pull for, HAS to realize that without the guys behind the wheel, they make nothing! All I can say at the end of the day is that I go home and look in the mirror and am proud of what I had a hand in building and hope to continue building with people I trust in this industry! Rant over. Hope you all can hang in there and remain profitable! Like Justin from Just Trucking says, "know your worth!' Remember, you are not out here for your health, you are here to support yourselve and your families! Best of luck all!"

No sweat Keith. Anyone that knows me has heard me say that if I were to write a book about Walk-Way Transport, I'd be on my 7th or 8th chapter. A good long chapter ended back in December. I got my authority in January 1996 and been mostly been a one man band. Historically my business with brokers is less than 10%. Almost 0 on the bulk side. I have rarely stepped away from a customer. Usually things just play out and you ride it to the end with an eye on the next move. For the short term, my equipment is paid for and I'm enjoying extra time at home and in the shop getting ready...

Replied on Fri, Aug 09, 2024 at 03:29 PM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "The reason we would not shut down is because we have direct customers that we care about to much to leave them hanging. This summer, we have driven past more low paying loads than we have hauled good paying and have told brokers that we would do so. Believe me, when this turns around, and it always does, those who tried to cut a fat calf on the back of the carriers will be paying higher rates than the ones who offered a fair price year round! I have been in this business since 1987. 24 years as a driver and 13 years behind the desk and I can tell you with certainty that things will turn around! I personally would like to go back to the days when there were not as many brokers out there! I would love to see the good ones celebrated and the poor ones shamed. I would also like to go back to a day when you did not have to have a broker license to post a load. We did not do it often, but if I had to many customer loads, I would put one out on the board. Not to make money on it but to make sure the needs of our customer's were met! If the load paid 2/cwt, we would take .05-.10/cwt to cover the cost of doing the paperwork. I realize there are some out there that did not pay their bills! We have been stung by them once or twice too, but not to often. Hold your heads high, make sure your customers are taken care of and you will be just fine! Good luck and stay profitable! Keith" Hello Brokers need to be bonded so you have a way to get paid if they are not on the up and up. Yes way to many cheap loads and brokers out here for sure. I always try to be positive about the market but if Camela and the dip**** liberal from MN. get in office we are all done. God Bless America and pray that people are smart enough to figure that out. Be Safe!!

Replied on Fri, Aug 09, 2024 at 03:29 PM CST

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Hello Brokers need to be bonded so you have a way to get paid if they are not on the up and up. Yes way to many cheap loads and brokers out here for sure. I always try to be positive about the market but if Camela and the dip**** liberal from MN. get in office we are all done. God Bless America and pray that people are smart enough to figure that out. Be Safe!!

Replied on Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 06:30 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Hello Brokers need to be bonded so you have a way to get paid if they are not on the up and up. Yes way to many cheap loads and brokers out here for sure. I always try to be positive about the market but if Camela and the dip**** liberal from MN. get in office we are all done. God Bless America and pray that people are smart enough to figure that out. Be Safe!!" I like many brokers am bonded. My problem with being bonded is not the cost because it is a cost of doing business. My problem with being bonded is that the bond isn't worth the paper it is printed on. Bonding companies that issue broker bonds do not always cover Ag Commodities. Before you set up your bond, ask your agent what it covers. 99% of them will say it covers van reefer flatbed oversize and most other loads. When you get to the part about Ag Commodities, most will get really quiet and then say " Uhhhhh, what do ag commodities have to do with brokering truck freight.? " A broker bond doesn't cover that. "File on their bond" seems to be the rallying cry as a simple way to be sure you get paid from a less than honorable or less than legitimate broker. If only it were as simple as that. It is one way to attempt to get paid and it puts a black mark on the broker's reuputation but for the most part it is time wasted. Talk to your bondsman and see if your broker bond covers Ag Commodities. I don't know if the insurance side of Bulkloads offers bonding services but it would be interesting if that group of people could offer any advice or comment on bonding.

Replied on Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 06:30 PM CST

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Quote: "Hello Brokers need to be bonded so you have a way to get paid if they are not on the up and up. Yes way to many cheap loads and brokers out here for sure. I always try to be positive about the market but if Camela and the dip**** liberal from MN. get in office we are all done. God Bless America and pray that people are smart enough to figure that out. Be Safe!!"

I like many brokers am bonded. My problem with being bonded is not the cost because it is a cost of doing business. My problem with being bonded is that the bond isn't worth the paper it is printed on. Bonding companies that issue broker bonds do not always cover Ag Commodities. Before you set up your bond, ask your agent what it covers. 99% of them will say it covers van reefer flatbed oversize and most other loads. When you get to the part about Ag Commodities, most will get really quiet and then say " Uhhhhh, what do ag commodities have to do with brokering truck freight.? " A broker bond doesn't cover that. "File on their bond" seems to be the rallying cry as a simple way to be sure you get paid from a less than honorable or less than legitimate broker. If only it were as simple as that. It is one way to attempt to get paid and it puts a black mark on the broker's reuputation but for the most part it is time wasted. Talk to your bondsman and see if your broker bond covers Ag Commodities. I don't know if the insurance side of Bulkloads offers bonding services but it would be interesting if that group of people could offer any advice or comment on bonding.

Replied on Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 09:18 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I like many brokers am bonded. My problem with being bonded is not the cost because it is a cost of doing business. My problem with being bonded is that the bond isn't worth the paper it is printed on. Bonding companies that issue broker bonds do not always cover Ag Commodities. Before you set up your bond, ask your agent what it covers. 99% of them will say it covers van reefer flatbed oversize and most other loads. When you get to the part about Ag Commodities, most will get really quiet and then say " Uhhhhh, what do ag commodities have to do with brokering truck freight.? " A broker bond doesn't cover that. "File on their bond" seems to be the rallying cry as a simple way to be sure you get paid from a less than honorable or less than legitimate broker. If only it were as simple as that. It is one way to attempt to get paid and it puts a black mark on the broker's reuputation but for the most part it is time wasted. Talk to your bondsman and see if your broker bond covers Ag Commodities. I don't know if the insurance side of Bulkloads offers bonding services but it would be interesting if that group of people could offer any advice or comment on bonding. " Yes all Brokers should be bonded and i guess it all depends on the insurance company? Not a insurance expert but that is one way to attempt getting paid. That is why before hauling for unknow Brokers or Companies you should get a credit reference record from them. I was just trying to help with ideas and if people paid fair rates and paid the trucks on time all would be well. But it is not anywhere near a prefect World and the Market we hope will come back but like i said if Camela and the liberal fool from MN. get elected all bets are off. God Bless America and may the people see the truth!! Stay safe!!

Replied on Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 09:18 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "I like many brokers am bonded. My problem with being bonded is not the cost because it is a cost of doing business. My problem with being bonded is that the bond isn't worth the paper it is printed on. Bonding companies that issue broker bonds do not always cover Ag Commodities. Before you set up your bond, ask your agent what it covers. 99% of them will say it covers van reefer flatbed oversize and most other loads. When you get to the part about Ag Commodities, most will get really quiet and then say " Uhhhhh, what do ag commodities have to do with brokering truck freight.? " A broker bond doesn't cover that. "File on their bond" seems to be the rallying cry as a simple way to be sure you get paid from a less than honorable or less than legitimate broker. If only it were as simple as that. It is one way to attempt to get paid and it puts a black mark on the broker's reuputation but for the most part it is time wasted. Talk to your bondsman and see if your broker bond covers Ag Commodities. I don't know if the insurance side of Bulkloads offers bonding services but it would be interesting if that group of people could offer any advice or comment on bonding. "

Yes all Brokers should be bonded and i guess it all depends on the insurance company? Not a insurance expert but that is one way to attempt getting paid. That is why before hauling for unknow Brokers or Companies you should get a credit reference record from them. I was just trying to help with ideas and if people paid fair rates and paid the trucks on time all would be well. But it is not anywhere near a prefect World and the Market we hope will come back but like i said if Camela and the liberal fool from MN. get elected all bets are off. God Bless America and may the people see the truth!! Stay safe!!

Replied on Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 10:17 AM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Hello Brokers need to be bonded so you have a way to get paid if they are not on the up and up. Yes way to many cheap loads and brokers out here for sure. I always try to be positive about the market but if Camela and the dip**** liberal from MN. get in office we are all done. God Bless America and pray that people are smart enough to figure that out. Be Safe!!" Perhaps now would be a good time to ask the question what would rates look like if the trucking industry went woke? We already have automatic transmissions and ELD’s to help facilitate the transition, and the economic collapse that’s coming later this year will force many old timers out, creating a Vacuum to be filled with?

Replied on Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 10:17 AM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Perhaps now would be a good time to ask the question what would rates look like if the trucking industry went woke? We already have automatic transmissions and ELD’s to help facilitate the transition, and the economic collapse that’s coming later this year will force many old timers out, creating a Vacuum to be filled with?

Replied on Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 09:42 AM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Perhaps now would be a good time to ask the question what would rates look like if the trucking industry went woke? We already have automatic transmissions and ELD’s to help facilitate the transition, and the economic collapse that’s coming later this year will force many old timers out, creating a Vacuum to be filled with?" Yes that is a good question, I guess my answer is go Woke and go Broke!! You still need the all electric trucks to be fully woke!! (lol) As far as the vacuum it would create Camela and the liberal fool from MN. will just use the 10 million illegals they let in so they got that covered. That is unless they are not to busy robbing, raping and killing American citezens. God Bless America and pray to the Lord!!

Replied on Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 09:42 AM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "Perhaps now would be a good time to ask the question what would rates look like if the trucking industry went woke? We already have automatic transmissions and ELD’s to help facilitate the transition, and the economic collapse that’s coming later this year will force many old timers out, creating a Vacuum to be filled with?"

Yes that is a good question, I guess my answer is go Woke and go Broke!! You still need the all electric trucks to be fully woke!! (lol) As far as the vacuum it would create Camela and the liberal fool from MN. will just use the 10 million illegals they let in so they got that covered. That is unless they are not to busy robbing, raping and killing American citezens. God Bless America and pray to the Lord!!

Replied on Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 07:21 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Brokers are not allowed technically to take freight from another broker. " yea but it happens all the time and nothing is ever done about it.... so theres that