Heavy Permit loads and lanes on Bulk Loads?

Feb 24, 2024 at 11:59 AM CST + 12 - 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Im new to Bulkloads.com. been searching around the site and load board. Interesting program. Bulk loads appear to have based all the loads on the load board at 80K gross lbs or about 50K net lbs per load. Which is fine as 80K gross is generally legal wt. everywhere so its easier. But Bulk loads is missing opportunity as it has no procedure or anyway to add a "heavy permit lanes" or "heavy permit loads", for loads that can potentially haul more tonnage on extra axles. This is odd to me as a bulk hauler. A lot of customers like working with trucks with extra axles. Move more product with less trucks. More efficient. Maybe it doesn't fit with what Bulk loads is doing? It must be more of a specialized direct customer market? Bulk loads could begin to set up and help permit extra axle trucks for 95K gross lanes and loads. We have so many trucks in Nebraska with pusher axles and tag axles on hoppers, I know it's some red tape, but hauling that Extra 7.5 tons makes a lane much more profitable. Thoughts?

Replied on Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 09:17 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Come to Michigan. Legal gross is 164,000 on 11 total axles. 😎

Replied on Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 12:37 PM CST + 5
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I vote to leave it the same, I always bid for 50k net and whatever I can haul on top of that goes in my pocket. In my opinion if they add this feature it will just cut rates down so you will haul 65k for the same pay as you would hauling 50k

Replied on Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 04:26 PM CST + 1 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I vote to leave it the same, I always bid for 50k net and whatever I can haul on top of that goes in my pocket. In my opinion if they add this feature it will just cut rates down so you will haul 65k for the same pay as you would hauling 50k" Bulk loads pay by the ton, thats why you put extra axles on, who would haul 7.5 more tons for the same $$$? Go pull a dryvan if you think 7 axle hoppers are paid by the mile.

Replied on Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 04:26 PM CST

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Quote: "I vote to leave it the same, I always bid for 50k net and whatever I can haul on top of that goes in my pocket. In my opinion if they add this feature it will just cut rates down so you will haul 65k for the same pay as you would hauling 50k"

Bulk loads pay by the ton, thats why you put extra axles on, who would haul 7.5 more tons for the same $$$? Go pull a dryvan if you think 7 axle hoppers are paid by the mile.

Replied on Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 06:34 PM CST + 3
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I think you need to read my post over again, I never mentioned anything about the rate being $/mile. I've seen this happen many times, a guy comes in with a permit and an extra axle that will do it for $1/Ton cheaper running everyone out of the market. This starts the race to the bottom.

Replied on Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 10:44 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I have the unfortunate circumstance of living in Michigan, but less than 5 miles north of Indiana. If I spec out equipment for Michigan it is pretty much useless anywhere else because the extra axles weigh too much. When I started hauling bulk I ran a tridem belt trailer. The extra axle cost me too much because most of my work is in other states. Also, remember that 80,000 is still the legal gross limit for the interstates. So by the time you buy the permit, drive state highways, cut the rate a couple dollars a ton, is it worth it? I decided it wasn't worth it, I specced out a new spread axle and don't bother taking loads inside of Michigan.

Replied on Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 10:44 PM CST

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I have the unfortunate circumstance of living in Michigan, but less than 5 miles north of Indiana. If I spec out equipment for Michigan it is pretty much useless anywhere else because the extra axles weigh too much. When I started hauling bulk I ran a tridem belt trailer. The extra axle cost me too much because most of my work is in other states. Also, remember that 80,000 is still the legal gross limit for the interstates. So by the time you buy the permit, drive state highways, cut the rate a couple dollars a ton, is it worth it? I decided it wasn't worth it, I specced out a new spread axle and don't bother taking loads inside of Michigan.

Replied on Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 01:27 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I have the unfortunate circumstance of living in Michigan, but less than 5 miles north of Indiana. If I spec out equipment for Michigan it is pretty much useless anywhere else because the extra axles weigh too much. When I started hauling bulk I ran a tridem belt trailer. The extra axle cost me too much because most of my work is in other states. Also, remember that 80,000 is still the legal gross limit for the interstates. So by the time you buy the permit, drive state highways, cut the rate a couple dollars a ton, is it worth it? I decided it wasn't worth it, I specced out a new spread axle and don't bother taking loads inside of Michigan. " Yep, totally agree it's a niche middle of the country, west of Missouri River thing. It's to much pain or just plain impossible to permit a divisible load in like 30 or so of the lower 48 states and yep they do set your route for you, but the small niche it is, it works very well and is ell worth it to set up for it if you have the opportunity, read other reply, I have 5 axle trucks also, the added weight of the axles and bigger trailer actually cost you in alot of eastern markets... seems like anything east of Iowa is almost just all 80K. And that's fine. 7 axle hopper hauling is very regional and direct customer, owner operator, small fleet niche market. Nobody is trying to haul more lbs and underbid anyone where I operate, they pay a flat rate to everyone per ton and how many tons you haul is up to you and your equipment (and I suppose the DOT) lol. I totally understand where you coming from, but let us boys out west play with our stretched out dual piped 800 hp fun! Lol There are some sweet trucks in Nebraska, you see more or at least the same amount of tripple axle hoppers on all roads than you just see tandems! It's a regional thing.

Replied on Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 01:27 PM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "I have the unfortunate circumstance of living in Michigan, but less than 5 miles north of Indiana. If I spec out equipment for Michigan it is pretty much useless anywhere else because the extra axles weigh too much. When I started hauling bulk I ran a tridem belt trailer. The extra axle cost me too much because most of my work is in other states. Also, remember that 80,000 is still the legal gross limit for the interstates. So by the time you buy the permit, drive state highways, cut the rate a couple dollars a ton, is it worth it? I decided it wasn't worth it, I specced out a new spread axle and don't bother taking loads inside of Michigan. "

Yep, totally agree it's a niche middle of the country, west of Missouri River thing. It's to much pain or just plain impossible to permit a divisible load in like 30 or so of the lower 48 states and yep they do set your route for you, but the small niche it is, it works very well and is ell worth it to set up for it if you have the opportunity, read other reply, I have 5 axle trucks also, the added weight of the axles and bigger trailer actually cost you in alot of eastern markets... seems like anything east of Iowa is almost just all 80K. And that's fine. 7 axle hopper hauling is very regional and direct customer, owner operator, small fleet niche market. Nobody is trying to haul more lbs and underbid anyone where I operate, they pay a flat rate to everyone per ton and how many tons you haul is up to you and your equipment (and I suppose the DOT) lol. I totally understand where you coming from, but let us boys out west play with our stretched out dual piped 800 hp fun! Lol There are some sweet trucks in Nebraska, you see more or at least the same amount of tripple axle hoppers on all roads than you just see tandems! It's a regional thing.

Replied on Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 01:27 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "I think you need to read my post over again, I never mentioned anything about the rate being $/mile. I've seen this happen many times, a guy comes in with a permit and an extra axle that will do it for $1/Ton cheaper running everyone out of the market. This starts the race to the bottom." Read your post just fine, I don't bid any cheaper, you can't where I run, work directly with terminals they pay everyone same rate for same products, how many tons you haul is up to you and your equipment. It's regional, it's too much red tape, or to much hassle to overweight permit commercial on extra axles in 35 of the lower 48 states, it's mainly a thing in the wide open middle of country, longer distances need traveled to keep everyone full and "feed" I wouldn't worry about any kind of 'race to bottom' as you put it. Everyone hates the guy that tries to under bid the going market rate. I have found when working with direct customers with a pretty much (seasonal) dedicated freight lane/contracts for X tons delivered over X period of time... the terminals and big processors mostly have their own freight brokerage and you just get in line, they usually have connected their own dots to set up their own buyers and set the freight rate for the distance (miles are definitely part of the equation tomarrive at $ per ton) but the pay is flat rate per ton. When you haukman extra 7.5 tons @ $50 a ton (for example) that's an additional $375 you made that day, then you get to probably gross that additional $ on back haul. Next thing you know your grossing $1500 more a week and at least 5 grand a month total more gross. (Not all my loads are over 80K) The multi axle truck thing is for about 19 dedicated lanes in thr mid mid west, West of Missouri River to front range of rockies. Nobody is racing to the bottom, just trying to. Ake a living. I can see your perspective, if I lived in Indiana or eastern U.S I would even have to worry about pusher or tag axles, wouldn't be worth it. It's a small niche market.

Replied on Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 01:27 PM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "I think you need to read my post over again, I never mentioned anything about the rate being $/mile. I've seen this happen many times, a guy comes in with a permit and an extra axle that will do it for $1/Ton cheaper running everyone out of the market. This starts the race to the bottom."

Read your post just fine, I don't bid any cheaper, you can't where I run, work directly with terminals they pay everyone same rate for same products, how many tons you haul is up to you and your equipment. It's regional, it's too much red tape, or to much hassle to overweight permit commercial on extra axles in 35 of the lower 48 states, it's mainly a thing in the wide open middle of country, longer distances need traveled to keep everyone full and "feed" I wouldn't worry about any kind of 'race to bottom' as you put it. Everyone hates the guy that tries to under bid the going market rate. I have found when working with direct customers with a pretty much (seasonal) dedicated freight lane/contracts for X tons delivered over X period of time... the terminals and big processors mostly have their own freight brokerage and you just get in line, they usually have connected their own dots to set up their own buyers and set the freight rate for the distance (miles are definitely part of the equation tomarrive at $ per ton) but the pay is flat rate per ton. When you haukman extra 7.5 tons @ $50 a ton (for example) that's an additional $375 you made that day, then you get to probably gross that additional $ on back haul. Next thing you know your grossing $1500 more a week and at least 5 grand a month total more gross. (Not all my loads are over 80K) The multi axle truck thing is for about 19 dedicated lanes in thr mid mid west, West of Missouri River to front range of rockies. Nobody is racing to the bottom, just trying to. Ake a living. I can see your perspective, if I lived in Indiana or eastern U.S I would even have to worry about pusher or tag axles, wouldn't be worth it. It's a small niche market.

Replied on Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 11:39 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. The load board doesn't have anything to do with setting the rate. Period ! The shipper and broker do. You as the business man have to negotiate what works for your particular operation. A guy with a closed tandem isn't going to compete with a triple axle trailer and a truck with a pusher hauling grain. But a guy with a closed tandem can go anywhere. Even tight feed mills and pet food facilities. Bulk loads is a networking tool. Meant to connect brokers and shippers with carriers.

Replied on Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 11:39 AM CST

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The load board doesn't have anything to do with setting the rate. Period ! The shipper and broker do. You as the business man have to negotiate what works for your particular operation. A guy with a closed tandem isn't going to compete with a triple axle trailer and a truck with a pusher hauling grain. But a guy with a closed tandem can go anywhere. Even tight feed mills and pet food facilities. Bulk loads is a networking tool. Meant to connect brokers and shippers with carriers.

Replied on Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 08:49 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "The load board doesn't have anything to do with setting the rate. Period ! The shipper and broker do. You as the business man have to negotiate what works for your particular operation. A guy with a closed tandem isn't going to compete with a triple axle trailer and a truck with a pusher hauling grain. But a guy with a closed tandem can go anywhere. Even tight feed mills and pet food facilities. Bulk loads is a networking tool. Meant to connect brokers and shippers with carriers." That's true of most all load boards, it's a place to connect carriers and customers, I also do not understand the pushback on running extra axles if it works for you? As you stated it's between you and the customer what the rate is. Just take a look at the load board, there are no rates even listed except on a few loads. It would be good to have a heavy haul lane, some places will not load you over 80K gross or take a load over 80K gross, mostly east of mississipi river. No matter how many axles you have. Suggestion was for bulk loads to add a heavy haul lane option for customers and terminals that want to work with 95K gross 7 axle trucks. Thanks

Replied on Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 08:49 PM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "The load board doesn't have anything to do with setting the rate. Period ! The shipper and broker do. You as the business man have to negotiate what works for your particular operation. A guy with a closed tandem isn't going to compete with a triple axle trailer and a truck with a pusher hauling grain. But a guy with a closed tandem can go anywhere. Even tight feed mills and pet food facilities. Bulk loads is a networking tool. Meant to connect brokers and shippers with carriers."

That's true of most all load boards, it's a place to connect carriers and customers, I also do not understand the pushback on running extra axles if it works for you? As you stated it's between you and the customer what the rate is. Just take a look at the load board, there are no rates even listed except on a few loads. It would be good to have a heavy haul lane, some places will not load you over 80K gross or take a load over 80K gross, mostly east of mississipi river. No matter how many axles you have. Suggestion was for bulk loads to add a heavy haul lane option for customers and terminals that want to work with 95K gross 7 axle trucks. Thanks